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Yup, #ubuntu is switching to Yahoo! for the search provider. http://popey.com/blog/2010/01/26/yahoobuntu/ #fb
Tuesday, 26-Jan-10 21:46:44 UTC from twirssi- Evan Prodromou likes this.
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@popey *sigh* They are really getting desperate for cash, aren't they...
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@fabsh Always looking for revenue streams, sure. Desparate.. not convinced. Chained to sinking ship? Nah.
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@popey Yahoo sucks. They are doing themselves a huge misfavour, pissing off people left and right to scrape together some money. Bad.
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@popey can Ubuntu still call it "Firefox" when they make this change? Curious about how protected Mozilla's similar deal may be...
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@fabsh You are of course entitiled to your view :) I personally would like to see Ubuntu survive. To do that they need revenue.
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@popey I agree with you on that. And no matter how bad it gets, I am quite confident that we will always have Mint to do Ubuntu right. :)
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@fabsh Good point. I'll be interested to see how Mint is financing itself in 5 years..
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@sandy I dont see why not. We brand the start page, always have, still called Firefox.
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@popey The same way that Mr. Debian is?
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@fabsh I disagree. This generates revenue for the project and people can change their provider with *one click*. Seriously. :-)
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@bigbrovar Difference is Google works, Yahoo not. Simple as that. Or do you browse the web using Yahoo?
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@fabsh Heh, go and do a test between Google and Yahoo. Let's not forget that Yahoo! was crap five years ago. And don't like it, one click!
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@fabsh you are right there.. google is way much better than yahoo in term of qualify of search. oh well fuck em, I use google chrome anyway
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@jonobacon I see that the revenue thing is good. But I fear for the reputation of the project and the brand.
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@fabsh What risk to reputation is there? What doesn't help is FUD, which is what a lot of the response is. It's really no big deal IMHO.
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@jonobacon I don't want to flame Ubuntu, I am genuinely concerned. As an outsider (just a user), it makes me a bit queasy.
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@jonobacon Can't they test the waters a bit with the community before deciding these things just like that?
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@fabsh Concerned about? It is a default change. Just change it to what you want. But those who don't care can help support the project.
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@jonobacon I think what people are concerned about is the lack of consultation. This is a canonical deal not an !ubuntu one. #yahoobuntu
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@fabsh that is the kicker right there, they might as well use bing
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@jonobacon I understand that. But tech savy users look at this and see it was done for the money, not technical benefits obviously.
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@jonobacon I can't even deal with the Yahoo homepage. And what I've seen of Bing wasn't too my liking. But I shall test it once again. :)
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@fabsh whats it matter google, yahoo, ask etc. all of them are tracking users and collecting a disgusting amout of info.
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@robconnolly That hits the nail on the head. The !Ubuntu community needs to be able to have its say.
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@x1101 This is kinda a moot point.
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@fabsh Yahoo!'s homepage is crap, and they know it that is why they have http://search.yahoo.com
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@jonobacon Saying that Ubuntu switched to Yahoo as default search isn't FUD. The risk is that it looks like you're selling out quality wise.
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@jonobacon oh come on, you're being disingenuous. As comm. manager, you're entirely smart enough to see problems with closed decisionmaking.
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@fabsh All search engines collect loads of personal data, but Google isn't at eternal risk of acquisition by Microsoft. There's your point.
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@fabsh My testing showed almost identical search results, in slightly different order. Only change: this deal brings more Ubuntu devs. :-)
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@fabsh what exactly is
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@threethirty It matters that with Google I get value for letting them track me. That's OK with me. With Yahoo, I only get crap...
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@joshix bingo
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@fabsh Second friendly tip: If you want, say, GM to change a default setting in a car, talking to their salesman isn't going to do any good.
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@joshix Good one! Thanks. :)
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@alphakamp Ker-ching :-)
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@jonobacon I don't mind Canonical finding revenue sources. Question to me though is, might it bring less Mozilla devs?
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@fabsh they are spidering the same internet. either the website is there or not
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@fabsh It's not FUD, but the kneejerk reactions to a relatively similar user experience and entirely switchable default is.
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@jonobacon And that is also an honest question; I don't know much about Mozilla's funding setup, but I know I want them around.
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@cwebber Nope, Mozilla are entirely comfortable and supportive of the deal.
Evan Prodromou and Christopher Allan Webber like this. -
@jonobacon paid for by MS money
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@joshix I don't want them to change anything. I like Canonical. At best I am trying to caution people not to make too many mistakes.
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@joshix he isn't a salesman, he is a 'community artist'
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@jonobacon Okay. That does change my opinion of things to mostly indifference then. Thanks for answering.
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@jonobacon I will test it again tomorrow. And I *get* the point about devs. That is good. What's done is done anyway.
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@jonobacon Oh, Ubuntu gets _more_ money from Yahoo! deal than from the nasty looking Google CSE? Is that a quote?
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@jonobacon Just don't tell me in six months nobody saw the community backlash coming. ;)
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@evan Hahahahahahahaaha. Secret new funding plans for StatusNet?????
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@fabsh Of course there will be a backlash, but that doesn't mean the backlash is always right. You have been around FOSS to know this. :-)
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@evan Hahaha! That would piss Google off soooo much..... :D
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@popey LOL. No idea of the numbers.
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@jonobacon im ok with switching the default search engine if you put gimp back on the cd :) comeon man you need someone to help you fight
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@jonobacon Careful now, I'm sure Roy Shitzforwitz will likely brand you an "M$ $hill"
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@fabsh you just like to yell loudly about things don't you? Well never fear, the world is full of things to yell about and people to listen
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Roger Pixley and Cyber Killer like this.
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@jonobacon How is people voicing their resentment with an external decision either fear, uncertainty OR doubt?
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@jonobacon There won't be a backlash because there's no initial acceptance. And if defaults don't matter, tell the EU...
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@jonobacon That's an important point!
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@evan brilliant! :)
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@gbraad sounds appropriate
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#Wikia looks cool
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@gbraad Well, depending on the pronunciation it means about 6 different things, I think. Mandarin is a complicated language.
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@alphakamp Oh, right. Me too -- only I'm a deconstructionist. ;)
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@fabsh Disagreement is not FUD, but much of what I have seen so far has been kneejerk. I don't see it as that big of an issue, personally.
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@x1101 I do. What else is the Internet for? Well, except maybe porn... ;)
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@jonobacon True. This time, I can fully understand people being upset, though. It's a trust issue and as such not about technicalities.
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@jonobacon how desperate is canonical to make money? Pulling a Novell? Why is Ubuntu not in a FOSDEM dev room?
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@fabsh I hope you didn't use the p word on twitter...if so, here come 300 people with the name like sexymomma01234 following you
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@fabsh What trust has been violated? No freedoms have been deserted. The change is switchable with one click. The revenue supports Ubuntu.
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@jwildeboer Canonical is keen to support open Ubuntu development, and hackers don't grow on trees, so yes, we want to make money. :-)
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@jonobacon I wouldn't say it's a big issue either, but how do you define big? For some pple it'll be. For some people the desktop colour is.
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@jonobacon Maybe we can discuss this some day in more than 140 chars. :)
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@jwildeboer We are not messing with upstream, Mozilla are 100% supportive and happy with the deal. Mozilla/Canonical are close partners.
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@evan ROFL!
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@sleepynate Depending on the tone it can be a soldier, ice, a stem, a pancake (I think?), or a sickness... it can also mean to merge...
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@fabsh "Canonical bought by Microsoft!" - smells like fud, looks like fud, I think it might be fud !
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@jonobacon hope we can meet at FOSDEM, I will pay the beer ;-)
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@jwildeboer As for pulling a Novell, let's not get partisan. Novell fund loads of upstream work.
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@jonobacon I totally agree with you. & as someone who's been replacing the default search for years now I say meh, scroogle.org ftw!!!
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@jonobacon Users trust the Ubuntu developers to make the best decisions for them (the users). This is the best decision for Canonical.
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@jwildeboer Sorry, pal, I won't be able to be there! Let's meet up somewhere somehow though. :-)
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@jonobacon as an aside, you're doing a good job answering questions here. Thanks for doing that!
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@jonobacon How disengenuous! You're vastly underestimating the amount of effort it takes. It's _two_ clicks, not _one_! Sheesh
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@jonobacon The trust that the "community" won't be co-opted to materially oppose freedom...
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@nixternal LOL. I don't care much about Twitter. But good point. Hadn't thought about that... :D
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@fabsh Agreed, and I feel this decision respects the majority of regular user's needs. It is not unchangeable, no freedoms are lost.
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@jonobacon whenever you are near Munich, let's meet. I love Ubuntu most of the time, don't get me wrong.
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@gbraad @sleepynate Dong ma! :)
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@jonobacon FOSDEM should be a MUST in your schedule though.
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@jwildeboer Thanks, dude! FOSDEM was easier when I was in the UK. Would love to meet in Munich! I am sure we can make it happen. :-)
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@jonobacon Well, I think we have to agree to disagree on that. But it's certainly balanced out by Canonical surviving which is vital.
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@fabsh Dude, just say "dong". The "ma" is = "?".
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@robmyers How does this "materially oppose freedom" by generating revenue to hire more hackers to make a free software OS?
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@brews "Dong" then. I wish I could speak Mandarin... :)
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@fabsh why you ask me if I understand it? :P 我知道。。。 你知道吗？
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@jonobacon we have lots in common but differ on other parts. Which is fine. I lke good discussions.
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@evan Thanks, I hope I can help here. :-)
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@x1101 I never liked horses much anyways. :-)
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@jwildeboer Indeed! The world would be boring if we all agreed, and we are all part of the FLOSS family. :-)
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@mohanpram OpenUbuntu? FreeUbuntu?
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Woo, I never think about before. What I know is the leading search engine in China Baidu sounds similarly to 'hundreds of poisons'.
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@jonobacon care to share your thoughts on opensource.com in a blog entry?
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@jonobacon But Ubuntu is meant to "just work", and screw freedom. Selling users to MS when they want Google (see market %) breaks even that!
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@jwildeboer Words of wisdom. :)
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@notmyfuckingidentica damn that is a very good question. I am going to have to think about that one.
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@jwildeboer I haven't really had a chance to check into it, TBH. Red Hat are rocking, will check it out. :-)
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@cwebber sorry, can't talk right now, on the phone with Infoseek, selling them the Firefox default home page.
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@robmyers LOL, no sale of users to MS, it is a default search change, don't like it...just click once to change it. :-)
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@mohanpram Maybe it's gnewsense's time to shine?
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@jonobacon opensource.com is really open. If you or one of your peers wants to publish, no prob.
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@notmyfuckingidentica is that even developed? I know when you boot the live CD you can choose to install only free software...
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@evan You are a sick, sick man, and should be kept off the interwebs. ;)
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@evan irony++ ;-)
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@jonobacon That revenue comes from helping a declared enemy of free software buy a new market to deny to hackers.
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@lovenemesis I couldn't compete with you ! :D
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@notmyfuckingidentica I see, I haven't used it at all.
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@robmyers I hope that Canonical is open enough to share how much they get.
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@jwildeboer How does one go about submitting stuff?
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@evan LOL! :D
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@robmyers If your world is rocked by the change, just click once to change it (it takes 2 seconds) or use another OS. Job done.
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@fabsh tell me where you wanna submit, done.
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@fabsh I have a pretty good repertoire of defunct-Web-portal-company jokes.
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@evan Infoseek! Are they still around?
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@jonobacon It seems like either the number of people to be gained is significant enough for this deal, or it wouldn't be worth doing.
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@gbraad You have done pretty well. :-P
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@jwildeboer OK, I'll get back to you on that once I actually have something written. Thanks! :)
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@lovenemesis my wife is Chinese (from !Beijing). Couldn't have a better teacher than that!
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@evan Do I smell an O'Reilly book deal? :)
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@jonobacon If it's so easy to ignore, why sell it? If it doesn't change people's experience, why provide it?
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@evan Your Webvan jokes are still pretty funny, too, although the George-Plimpton-hawking-Intellivision stuff has grown kind of stale.
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@robmyers Why provide it? Because it generates revenue to make a rocking FLOSS OS. On or Off is great, just On supports the project.
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@jwildeboer Heh, yeah. I should state at this point that I'm not a Google cheerleader either...
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@joshix how *do* you get that info to car makers? told my dealer about things like that, and nobody there has any idea how to talk upstream.
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@anth Yeah the makers hate dealers, view them as anachronistic middlemen in the way. Go to engineering @ corporate. Better, find a contact.
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@anth GM is only place I know anyone. There, many engineering fiefdoms: powertrain, electrical, body, safety, interior. What maker u after?
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@sleepynate How is a Search page a disease?
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@jwildeboer Oh, yes, we definitely should. I think @rejon is planning a #StatusCheck on Saturday night.
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@evan I would love to share some thoughts and beers.
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@evan could you use some more network programming/sysadmin firepower to through at your server? I'm available.
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@gam3 we're doing pretty well right now, but I'll definitely keep you in mind.
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@evan Thanks.
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@joshix mini (BMW). i'm not a fan of design primarily driven by majority, but it does seem these folks ought to want input more.
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@evan @jwildeboer, still working with my contacts to get a good place nearby!
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@teddks they will have a say; they can change the search provider, it's not that hard. popularity-contest should monitor this in any case.
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