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1. Alan Pope

   Flash is 'dying' according to Steve Jobs. Oh I sure hope so. http://bit.ly/9Vla8I

   Friday, 19-Feb-10 09:43:39 UTC from twirssi
   • Space Hobo

     @popey as do I, I just hope that the "iPhone app store" model is likewise dying.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 09:44:25 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite

     @popey He thinks that HTML5 will replace Flash. But as far as I can tell HTML5 has no support for live video streaming.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 09:49:29 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite

     @popey I hope Jobs is right, but I think he's just saying that to cover his arse.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 09:51:09 UTC
   • 0u Matt Copperwaite

     @yamatt ogg should do live streaming, no? the only reason <video> != ogg is because of some industrymonopolists. i've nothing against dirac.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 09:52:14 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite 0u

     @openuniverse I'm not sure if the HTTP protocol will support that.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:30:01 UTC
   • 0u Matt Copperwaite

     @yamatt i'm NO expert, but if http can support flash, why couldn't it support live streaming ogg? (if http is the issue)

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:34:34 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite 0u

     @openuniverse what I mean is that you can stream ogg, you can trick HTTP to stream. But can browser and built in player understand it.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:36:02 UTC
   • 0u Matt Copperwaite

     @yamatt considering that browser is any other piece of software, and vorbis at least was made for online radio or something? i hope.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:37:41 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite 0u

     @openuniverse it's worth testing. But I'm thinking it wasn't designed with live streaming in mind.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:39:41 UTC
   • 0u Matt Copperwaite

     @yamatt it seems clear that from the time mozilla added ogg <video> support, the idea was to compete with flash, not merely hope.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:43:07 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite 0u

     @openuniverse Mozilla and other browser developers added support for HTML5 so that they could test the draft spec.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:54:31 UTC
   • 0u Matt Copperwaite

     @yamatt well, html holds the web together, and html5 should reflect the world now. non-free plugins are forthelose, must be fought.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:57:51 UTC
   • Gustav Hartvigsson Matt Copperwaite

     @yamatt air.mozilla.com has live streaming every week, and it works "like a charm" #mozilla #xiph..

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 10:58:45 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite 0u

     @openuniverse W3C's plan was to bring HTML up to date, competing with Flash was only a small part. But I think they missed a trick.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 11:00:35 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite 0u

     @openuniverse totally :)

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 11:01:27 UTC
   • Matt Copperwaite Gustav Hartvigsson

     @gegoxaren I wasn't aware of that. Looks like it works fine then. I'm glad it does work.

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 11:03:42 UTC
   • Gordon Allott

     @popey its really only used for video anyway. Can't say ill miss it!

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 11:13:35 UTC
   • X11R5

     @cmsj I don't think it's with the money to do to earn money

     Friday, 19-Feb-10 16:06:55 UTC
   • 0u Matt Copperwaite

     @yamatt live theora! http://ur1.ca/nkmt watching lessig live w/o plugins in icecat http://ur1.ca/nklj

     Thursday, 25-Feb-10 23:27:15 UTC