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Mårten Mickos responds to my criticisms of open core: http://icio.us/4rnj0b
Wednesday, 30-Jun-10 13:17:46 UTC from web- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier repeated this.
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@webmink, Mickos rests on assumption:"benefit massively". He wants get-rich-quick, not help FLOSS. I say: *reasonable* profits, more freedom
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Finished a blog post I've been working on for some time about the value of work & relating it to software freedom: http://ur1.ca/0kyc3 !FaiF
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@bkuhn: I really liked that argument. A difficult idea made simple. That's what good writing's all about. I just wish I could do it :)
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@bkuhn: I never understood the problem with proprietary games/consoles etc. I assumed you'd be more fundamentalist. I'm pleased you're not.
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@silner, I'm glad you think so. I struggled with this one for quite a while (it's been months) trying to make the argument clear.
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@bkuhn: I must admit my game playing amounts to no more than Scrabble, Bookworm and Bejeweled. Maybe if I played more, it would bother me.
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@bkuhn I think your argument is flawed. Here's my response: http://blog.jollybox.de/archives/61-proprietary-software ;-) Cheers
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@freezombie,I think your analogy is worse,b/c large production infrastructure is needed to do job. Software never needs this for production.
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@bkuhn Important aspect not in the suit analogy: Non-trivial progs transform you data. Proprietary apps may lead to vendor lock-in.
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@bkuhn still, software has many, simultaneous, unrelated users that can all pay for a fraction of the work done.
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@freezombie, I've no problem w/ users paying, provided they get the rights to share & improve software. I have right to alter my suit!
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@bkuhn @ovidius there are important aspects missing, yes. I quite like the "you can change now, share later" model as per http://is.gd/diAtZ
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@freezombie, BTW,I wasn't constructing argument that's a unified theory of inalienable software freedom;just proposing a factor to consider.
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@bkuhn for individual SW I agree, once it's programmed and paid for, deal is done. But for general purpose things are different.
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@jwildeboer, ppl deserve software freedom, for general purpose sw too. We've shown customers will pay for general purpose improvement anyway
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@freezombie E is available for Linux soon? It is free as in beer and open source! Great, too. :-)
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@freezombie Oh, that posting is 1 year old. Nevermind. Will try to build myself.
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@ovidius I have litterally no idea what you were referring to ;-)
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@freezombie It is discussed in the link you sent: the E-Texteditor and its license.
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@ovidius ah, yes. Never used that myself, old vim addict that I am
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@freezombie Interesting. Is that license a free software license after two years... or does it still technically not meet the definition.
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@bjwebb since the only difference from the 3-clause BSD license expires after 2 years, I'd say it is.
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@freezombie Yeah, but that condition must remain there, even if it doesn't apply. It would be interesting to see an FSF/OSI response to this
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@bjwebb you have to take care to license your modifications differently, of course. Which you can - it's not copyleft.
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@freezombie: Yeah, I know that. But at the very least the *text* of their condition must be kept indefinately.
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@bkuhn excellent read. I'd love an addendum on how very limited proprietary relicensing (to use your term) fits into this line of reasoning.
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@bkuhn good article, but YA #disturbing biographical fact, your admission of childhood enjoyment of Chuck E. Cheese
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@fontana, what's wrong with Chuck E. Cheese? I was surprised to learn recently they were founded by Atari, BTW, which is a bit #disturbing.
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@bkuhn I am wondering how works of art fit in: more like software or more like gambling? (assume some art not pure diversion/entertainment)
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@fontana, I hinted at that in a footnote. Fine art *is* important & probably not merely entertainment, so I think it's more complicated.
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@bkuhn Not Atari, specifically, but Nolan Bushnell, who also founded Atari. Since then, they've been acquired several times.
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@snapl, the (likely poorly sourced) documentary that I saw recently made it sound like relationship was closer than that. Never trust TV. :)
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@fontana you seem to find my normal childhood likes/behaviors disturbing. Is it b/c I think of these things fondly *now* that's #disturbing?
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@bkuhn difficult question; partly it's that I find Chuck E. Cheese as aspect of contemporary US culture #disturbing
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@fontana, I agree, but OTOH, anthropomorphic animatronic performance,while #disturbing on its own,was awe-inspiring for an 8 yr old in 1981.
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Indeed, ISTR only time I tried to build a robot was after my 1st visit to Chuck E. Cheese around 1981. But my experience was probably unique
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@bkuhn One could say that Chuck E. Cheese, Greatest American Hero and Rush set you on path towards #softwarefreedom advocacy
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I just remembered short-lived 80's amusement park in #Baltimore 's Pratt St. Power Plant. #Disturbing Wikipedia has < one sentence on that.
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@fontana, #Rush / #Ayn_Rand helped: dabbling in #problematic moral philosophies helps one discern. OTOH, #ST_TNG surely helped more than GAH
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@bkuhn I can't speak for @fontana but I find any restaurant whose mascot is a giant rat more than a little #disturbing...
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@bkuhn you can rent a house, and that's it, but you can't replicate ("clone") it with marginally no cost, "renting" more and more houses
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@tkmorris, If anything, the fact that a house cannot be cloned but software can supports idea that Free copying should be permitted.
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@bkuhn any reason you shouldn't clone a house by whatever means suited you?
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@bkuhn well, you purchase the materials and build a "clone" by hand from memory. Or you clone the materials and assemble robotically. or?
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@zotz, I don't think "building an identical house from memory" is "cloning". But I think you should have right to build an identical house.
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@bkuhn ~;-)
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@bkuhn can you clone a never-alive thing? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3A+clone
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@bkuhn That's right, I wasn't disagreeing with you
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