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Evidently xen dom0 kernel support was removed in Lucid. No mention of it in the release notes. I HAVE NO WORDS. #ubuntuismakingmecranky
Friday, 09-Jul-10 17:40:37 UTC from api-
@bkuhn I do mean that. However, debian is debian, which means it doesn't have new enough versions of various packages I need.
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@bkuhn I'd rather backport the kernel + xen user land tools than every package under the sun.
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@paulv, Wow, you truly aren't a #Debian user, are you? :) Backporting is a way of life, embrace it. (I actually just pin now as needed).
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@bkuhn Backporting is bullshit. The whole point of a distribution is so I don't have to deal with compiling stuff by hand.
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@bkuhn I get caught with that. I think: if I'm going to backport everything, I may as well use Fedora, then I don't like the 6 months cycle.
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@x1101 @bkuhn finds rpm-based distros #disturbing
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@fontana,indeed! :) RPM & DEB formats are both #problematic for various reasons. My distribution choice is purely decided by my politics now
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@bkuhn RPM came first, I think, but Deb is better, I think :)
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@silner,I used RPM before DEB,but ISTR they were invented w/in 6 mos of each other. I don't recall which was first; scary,b/c I used to know
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@bkuhn that's doin' it right :-)
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@fontana ah. well he finds enough things #disturbing that it was a decent guess :D
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@bkuhn clearly you should look beyond the two major competitors into more interesting alternative options :) (disclaimer: Arch Linux user)
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@ianmcorvidae,Is there reason to believe Arch has a stronger dedication to software freedom than !debian? Debian's *really* strong on that.
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@bkuhn oh, no, that wasn't really the point -- you were saying RPM and DEB were equivalent, so …
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@lamm,Don't have reading to point you at;My assessment is based only on personal experience;New ideas like Conary may have something to them
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@x1101 Influence is just a much milder form of control, really.
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@psquid I disagree. I can ignore influence, but not control.
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@bkuhn Arch seems technically appealing but got sense that community was at best agnostic about software freedom
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@bkuhn "control" perception doesn't really match reality IMO, and !fedora influences #Red_Hat as much as Red Hat influences Fedora
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@bkuhn Thanks for the lead. Conary sounds interesting.
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@bkuhn yet !debian hosts nonfree sw, surely you can't argue that its commitment to software freedom exceeds that of !fedora
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@fontana, #Problematic !debian hosts non-FaiF, but not on by default. Meanwhile, they pull #Linux firmwares into non-free. #Fedora do that?
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@fontana, I find it #problematic when one for-profit company has too much influence in a project. E.g., It even bothers me about status.net.
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@bkuhn no one prevents another company to ALSO influence status.net, the code is available. but it take it as nobody sees the need (now)
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@bkuhn fair enough, my pt. is that your concern must not be corporate influence as such, but insufficiently diversified corporate influence
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@bkuhn a chunk of status.net code is FSF-assigned, and it's the base for GNU Social -- SNI has …
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@ianmcorvidae, yes, I think it's a *big* help that status.net & #Fedora don't require © assignment to company. #Disturbing that #Ubuntu does
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@bkuhn if the influence was too strong, some might have already forked it. but you wouldn't help the community with it.
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@bkuhn #disturbing that FSF does -- why is them controlling codebases any more acceptable than,…
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@bkuhn no, but such firmware is ack'd as nonfree. Otherwise Fedora doesn't distribute nonfree sw at all (er, save things like glibc etc)
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@bkuhn agree, but I also think it is #problematic if corp influence over some projects is relatively hidden
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@fontana, Hidden corporate influence does happen. If you're aware of a project that should have such influence exposed,I hope you tell me.
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@ianmcorvidae that's irrelevant. You still have the same rights, only FSF can legally defend them this way. I was skeptical too, but it's ok
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@pietercolpaert only if you trust FSF not to relicense your stuff. That's the point/problem wit…
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@ianmcorvidae I think somehow they cannot do that. I've had this conv with @mattl (still waiting for an e-mail), you should talk to him
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@ender2070 I like RPM based distros. I've begun with Conectiva, which later merged with Mandrake and became Mandriva.
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@ender2070 Try Sidux then... The distro Chuck Norris uses on his laptop... :D
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@ender2070 Pity... I always thought it was Debian Sid... ;-)
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@ender2070 :D
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@bkuhn What's diff is that Fedora's structure allows others to run product cycles through it, should they choose.
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@quaid, I'm not sure what that means or how it makes a difference. It seems too corporate-speaky to me. Can you point me to add'l reading?
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@bkuhn Summary: RHT sponsorship of Fedora isn't an exclusive relationship.
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@fontana i'll bite -- glibc is nonfree how?
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@fontana can you point me to the files in question?
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@mattl might be everything in /sunrpc directory in glibc sources. License text is here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/SunRPC
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@rrix if only it were just GPL-incompatible
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@pietercolpaert a friend of mine told me how it works: the copyright assignment has a condition that they relicense onl…
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@ianmcorvidae do you have a better alternative for it to work under current copyright laws?
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@pietercolpaert not really; if I contribute to FSF stuff I'll certainly sign an assignment. It …
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@ianmcorvidae sure it's not perfect, but as there is no better solution (fact, until proven otherwise) FSF is doing a good job
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@ianmcorvidae (2) - I like it that they're finally defending projects and not asking to boycott other projects...
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@pietercolpaert post-clarification re: contract law protection, my discomfort is only ideal-wor…
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